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Winwaloe 21 June 2004 16:51 The moan it moaneth every day If one of my Saintly friends happened upon your website and had no former
knowledge of your incoming they might think that you were an umpteenth
generation local. Poor chap, family been there since the first Crusade and can't
get away because of family ties. But it's not like that is it? Now, I can moan,
groan and complain about where I live because I have to live here (well Mrs
Winwaloe says we have to) but you are there of your own free choice. BUT all you
ever do is moan about the place!! - So, why the ********* do you live there?
You have now been joined by a Loic who also seems keen to moan, groan and gnash
against unique, world famous, man made projects sited in Cornwall. I am sure
there are people in Hertfordshire who regret the passing of the paper trade,
there are miners in Wales who regret the passing of coal mines, workers in the
North who regret the passing of the mills and people in Scotland who regret that
the haggis no longer nests on the moors. But, time moves on. I still
cannot determine what you would like for St Ives and Cornwall. Return to tin
mining (great as long as you don't have to do it), ditto copper. Fishing, well
the fish could still be there but you will need to reinstate the Fowey Gallants
to keep the foreigners away. You could, of course, make St Ives so up market
that only Sunseekers are moored in the harbour and Bentleys parked outside the
holiday homes but you would need year round good weather. Now, if you can just
find a disused mine shaft or twenty, cave it in and build a perspex dome over
the top, install air conditioning you could be well away. Just remember who gave
you the idea!! Vile Jelly 21 June 2004 22:13 You know, the US authorities used to ask exactly the same sort of questions
to the 19th century sociologists, ethnologists, anthropologists and do-gooders
who made complaining noises about what was being done to the Native Americans.
You must be delighted to be in such worthy company General Custer! Winwaloe 22 June 2004 09:07 Whilst attack can be the best form of defence in your case it is not. You continue to bang on about all that is wrong with the place you choose to live in. My point is, if it is such a bad place why are you living there? You remind me of the types who stand on street corners selling the "Socialist Worker" (a contradiction of terms if ever there was one)always prepared to bang on about how hard done by they are and how badly the rest of the World treats them but having not an ounce of original thought. Why on earth should I want to create a website? I don't need one. You accuse me of viewing St Ives/Cornwall through a tinge of rose. Surely that applies equally to you? Your banging on gives the impression that you would like to see St Ives populated only by true Cornish (that leaves you out)and no visitors allowed. Will you borrow my Saintly staff, strike the ground thrice and bring forth fish, tin and copper, or will you just reside over the town until it dies? Serious debate? If I want serious debate I go elsewhere or dig deeper into my philosophy books/papers. Re the IoM. An excellent offshore financial centre for the rich and ultra rich, it has preserved some traditional industry and works hard to bring in more tourists. The motorcycle race helps but what about all those scruffy, loud bikers? They would be such a blot on Cornwall wouldn't they (under your reckoning). Your website gives enjoyment, I just object to your gratuitously short-sighted, unreasonable and downright goofy banging on about how bad the tourists are. Of course they/we are not perfect but that is not peculiar to those that visit St Ives. As for being a "street performer" at least I don't have to stand on a soapbox to be heard! Vile Jelly 22 June 2004 09:36 Me? Bang on about things? Tsk, tsk. Such a blinkered view (inevitable I
suppose from such a great distance). Winwaloe 22 June 2004 14:57 Possibly/Probably to the first five - or at least some dubious reincarnation
of spirit Vile Jelly 22 June 2004 15:54 That would make me a Cornish Female Polish Socialist Liberal Democrat. It's a
tempting thought but, frankly, I've got enough on my plate at the mo to attempt
anything so strenuous as transnationalpoliticalgenderbending. Might give it a go
in the next life if the chance pops up, though. Winwaloe 22 June 2004 16:59 Distance learning is a great thing. When work commitments allow I intend to apply to do my Master's in Cornish Studies via Exeter Uni. (I think Dr P does not live in Cornwall but I may be wrong). Technology is a wonderful thing, it allows me to read a range of newspapers not readily available in the Metropolis (funny but should I choose to I can buy Irish, Welsh, Scottish, French, German, Gulf, Hong Kong newspapers in London but I can't buy the Cornishman, Western Morning News, Cornish Guardian etc. Is this a nasty capitalist plot not to allow Cornish newspapers over the Tamar - on the other hand perhaps no one has bothered to try to send them over)So I do read Cornish newspapers, I also read the emails and publications I receive form the various Cornish and (I admit)Devon associations, societies etc I am a member of. Also, not knowing you personally one gains a rather one-sided view. On the ground you may be making all sorts of positive noises and putting forward innovative ideas to help St Ives, West Penwith and Cornwall in general. If you are then all power to you and why not start sharing some of those ideas on the site. I do accept that I may take your site in a manner it is not meant to be taken. Soup dragons, something about potatoes and the other "in jokes" don't really promote a serious disposition. Perhaps I should write about turnips - Vile Jelly 23 June 2004 09:13 So's practical experience. You can study the problem all you want but, at the
end of the day, no theory is valid without some empirical testing to back it up.
Anyone can come up with an 'expert' solution to a problem (usually in a pub) if
they don't actually have to put that solution into practice and/or live with the
consequences. This is why, in the immortal words of Big Country, 'all the folks
who can run the world drive cabs or cut your hair'. Just look at WW1. All the
'experts' stayed at HQ and came up with a series of brilliant strategies, none
of which really worked (Schlieffen Plan, Gallipoli), as a result of which the
folks having to live with the problem quite uppity. The Russians had a
revolution, the French mutinied, the Germans collapsed and British society
became actively politicised. Now, I've yet to see anything (sensible) written on
the subject that claims that this is what the generals and the politicians were
trying to achieve, which rather implies that they hadn't really thought the
problem through. Winwaloe 24 June 2004 09:18 Not surprisd on the regen projects the world and his wife must have been applying! - If I ever get down to West Penwith as the Saintly Incomer you may well find we are fighting shoulder to shoulder. The funny part will be that we are incomers. I sometimes think that the average Tre, Pol and Pen is fairly happy to be left to their own devices and let the World get on with it. Re Titanic - desperate passenger with real go would have run to bridge and gone "Left hand down a little" - He who dares etc etc - Work hard - at least you are getting paid for it! Vile Jelly 24 June 2004 15:21 Actually I shouted 'Look! Warn Engine Room!' but Cap'n Smith misheard. He
thought one of the passengers was moaning about having lukewarm gin in his room
and ordered the crew to get a load more ice! After that I thought that's the
last time I bother to try and help someone. Vile Jelly 26 June 2004 11:14 O Ye Of Little Faith!
Attached are subscription doo-dahs for the West Brit and Cornishbloke. SI
Times & Echo doesn't seem to do a subscription service but if you send the
Reporting Team a wodge of stamped SAE's (A4 or A5 ish probably best) plus 55p
per paper required I'm sure they can be persuaded to post you one weekly on
their way to the pub.
PS. The sub forms may take some time to download as I have deliberately not
reduced the file size so as not to reduce the reproduction quality. I have no
idea what size they will print out at. Let me know if you are having technical
difficulties!
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